THE POTTER IN THE NEW WORLD
By Marguerite Wildenhain
Mr. Cox has told you that I was supposed to talk about the Potter
in the New World. The fact that this theme was chosen for today's talk
seems to indicate that there must be some relation between the potters
and what we like to call "the New World". What has happened? Has the
world really changed so much that a craft which has been a human
occupation ever since man has been man should have become obsolete in our
time? Has life by-passed the potter as the spreading highways by-pass
picturesque and quaint little villages to which one looks back with
envious sympathy but in which one would not like to live any more? Has
pottery still some essential meaning for the human race or is it only a
relic from former times like the hoop skirt and the bustle?
Let us examine our problem closely. Man has always needed and still
needs pottery vessels to eat and drink from, to put liquids and solids in,
to wash in, for insulators, bricks, tiles. These we take for granted
are made today in industrial centres. We never question the necessity of
these mass-production centres. But we do question the value of the wark
of those single men and women who make their pots by hand, without taking
advantage of the machine to go in for a larger production. They seem to
be old-fashioned, out-dated, full of aphorisms in their ultimate standards
of quality. For them work seems to be more than a question of earning a
living. In one word, those people do not seem to fit into our pattern of
living any more.
In order to find out whether these few hand-potters and other
craftsmen still have a right to live, I would like to examine the process
of making pottery by hand and see what human activities are involved in the
process. But I must start at the very beginning, at the relationship
between form and thought, matter and idea, between man and God.
Hand-work, I would say, is made of two different and separated
activities: one all spiritual I would say, the idea; one all concrete
- the making. Our problem will be to trace these two parts up to the
point of their total fusion in the object, and see whether the activities
involved or the artistic developments of the craftsman are of importance for
the human race or not.
At the beginning of all man-created things is the idea. "Idos" in
Greek was something that you reached with your eyes, through your sight,
your activity of seeing. It was that which is visual and seeing. The
form which you saw with your eyes was the idea. Those inner eyes are the
truths of the soul that everyone learns with. Plato says they are more
important to keep than 10,000 real eyes for only through those can truth be
seen. The soul has eyes to see and they are directed to the eternal forms.
But most of us have eyes for the soul that are weak and they are incapable
of seeing that which is godlike. The artist is the one who sees. With
an idea in front of his whole being; with a whole idea in his mind, the
artist starts to work with his hands. For him it is every time like the
first day of creation. There is nothing but the blind chaos and the
darkness of desire and urge, and he must plunge into that point that is
most true in him, into that source where pure imagination comes from, where
he is at the source of all things and totally alone. For art is not
cumulative and progressive as a science and no artist can begin where his
predecessors have left off. He has to start like a native, so to say, at
the origin of things.
So there is the artist - the potter - working; with the first movement
of his hands he touches the clay: thousands of problems creep out like so
many temptations to lure him away from his pure and original idea. He is
trying to force into shape his very concrete material, that clay, into
the form or idea that he has before him in his eyes, This strange interplay
in the artist between the pure existing idea and the work itself
causes the craftsman to constantly split himself so as to create that idea.
That form which he had in mind dominates every move that he makes and the
very object is stamped with the pressure and the sceptical vigilance of
his inner vision. But matter has laws of its own so the potter trics to
learn these. He finds out or he is lucky to be taught those methods that
are apt to favour better results. He will learn those movements, rules and
restrictions that will bring his work to most certain success and he will
find out that it is to his most definite advantage to learn and to respect
them.
Thus, after much labouring effort and many disappointments he will
acquire, what we call, the technique. But that should not mean
exacting a formula, nor too narrow and restricting conditions; for the field
is unlimited for the craftsman with an open eye. He will invent and
develop new methods and new materials to suit his new needs and these again
will require new tools. The se again will allow him functions which he could
not solve with his human organism only, and a whole new set of possibilities
and techniques will evolve because the craftsman not only chooses his tools
but becomes himself the tool of his idea. He brings together what he wants
and plans with what he can know and see and touch. He chooses and
organises styles, methods, materials, techniques suitable for the circumstances.
He orders diversity into one aim and out of chaos grows form.
For this complex procedure certain human qualities are imperative, for
perfection even to the most talented does not come easily. To realise the
perfect fusion between the vision from the inner source and the excellence
of execution we will need the complete concentration of all available forces
and abilities of the total man. His daily struggle with his work, his
closing himself up with his innermost labouring toil of concentration and
co-ordination, the challenge of the difficulty of the materials and methods.
All this cannot help but develop his qualities of endurance, self-discipline,
patience, healthy self-criticism, and ability for focussing his total
capacity towards one large aim. The artist-potter is like the priest.
He has dedicated his life to something that is greater than he, to beauty,
expression, art. And strangely, the potter has achieved the spiritual peace
physically with his hands and with a tough and unsophisticated material.
Clearly somewhere there must be a more than usual synthesis of heart, mind
and hand. And this is the fact that for me will always give value to hand-
pottery if it is creatively alive in every age - be it as mechanically
minded as ours or any other.
But today as I see it we have lost that intimate correlation of the
mind and the hands as a philosophy of life, as it was in the centuries when
crafts were all-important. We do not feel any more the real possibility
of those wonderful tools our hands that can give and receive, hear and
heal, bless and beg, curse, tie or smite, be hammer, nipper or spade
according to what our minds want them to be. We do not use our hands
creatively any more - that is in more than a technical sense, in a way that
conveys an ethical, poetical and I would even like to say a religious point
of view. So if we look at the pots of the last century as a whole we
cannot help but find them wanting, because they do not convey what makes a
pot really good some technique, an imaginative and functional form and a
personal idea. They often do not even show what can be made by the
intelligent use of the technique only.
How do we come to that state of affairs? Don't we have all the
technical knowledge, all the machinery and expensive external equipment,
all the materials, costly or common, finely-ground or coarse as we choose?
Don't we have a background of several thousand years of good pottery in our
ancestral blood and the knowledge of all excellent work of all cultures of
the world, China, Indian, Inca and others to look at and to learn from?
And still, compared to theirs, is our pottery not the most non-expressive,
non-skillful, non-beautiful, non-imaginative ever made? And why?
T.S. Eliot says "Good prose cannot be written by people without conviction",
and I would like to add "nor good pots made either".
As we are today, we have no convictions, no real faith in ourselves,
nor our work, nor our values. We have no ethical philosophy of life and no
freedom of our own. We have no longer the conviction to choose our way of
living, our words, thoughts or our standards of art, religion and beauty.
We trust blindly in the propaganda value of this or that way of life as
advertised. We are afraid of our own personal feelings, of poverty, of
unpopularity, of lack of success, of either being old-fashioned or highbrow
in our points of view. We believe in half-truths and we do not see that
they are also half-lies. We have lost a deep relation with nature, and with
that, it seems, our natural instinct. We have both corrupted our instinctive
feelings and neglected them so we cannot trust them any longer; and so we
have lost that powerful simplicity of purpose, of life and work, of mind and
hand united in one creation of man.
Our difficulties thus lie apparently in the field of ethics and human
expression and not in the technique. To make hand-pottery valid again so
that it becomes a virile and creative activity of man, it is urgent to raise
anew the standards of the crafts, both away from a sentimentality towards
their traditional standards in former centuries, but also out of
untraditional intellectualism and tightrope-walking, fearlessly giving the
craftsman a new more complete deeper relation of his work to his life.
For to know a definite profession really and deeply, as I mean it, brings to
man more than a salary and some success. It enlarges and edifies his whole
being. It builds up his ethics and his aesthetics without him even being
aware of it. It brings him in touch with everything that is essential in
life, so that he may rise at the end to the power and understanding of a
philosopher and as he matures his pottery will have something to show that
is his own, something that has a life quality and that we do not find often
nowadays a new character and a new expression.
This is what I mean by "expression". All of us learn as children the
twenty-four letters of the alphabet, but after twenty years or so of living,
working, thinking, suffering, our hand-writing will have changed considerably
from what was the first basic pattern to what is now our personal signature.
Also we all learn the same words, the same language; but each of us,
especially the poet, expresses with those common words that which only he
can express. He forms those common words to fit his own vision. We all
have hands with five fingers and a face with eyes, mouth and a nose, but look
at the difference of expression, of hands, faces, eyes and mouths according
to what is behind and beyond that average pattern of man in the depth of
that one single being. So we must work with constant devotion, lose
ourselves in what is greater than we are to find ourselves, so we will mature
and some element will become visible in our work that comes from our innermost
experience of life something that no training nor any tradition nor courses
in design could ever foster - something that is our own and unique. So if
there is some thing conceived in the depth of our being I do not doubt that
we will be honest and intelligible.
This will also explain why it seems to me that it is not possible for
us to go back to the forms and techniques of times that have passed, be they
ever so excellent, nor to the standards of beauty in other countries, such as
Greece or China. We are not those people any more. We live, we think,
and love differently, believe in other values, move in other planes and have
a much accelerated pace. So other forms, not theirs, will be necessary to
become our forms - just as we wear other clothes, live in other houses and
travel in other vehicles than they did. There is nothing scaring, it seems
to me, nor unhealthy about this. On the contrary, the opposite is
unhealthy and unimaginative. Creative man has always made things according
to his own idea without looking too much to the predecessors. Our old
cathedrals show it many times when each generation has added to the whole in
its own specific way. So must we. We are living in the most arid and
desolate time for art. To survive, we will have to rediscover those basic
forms that are alone the essential cells of creative work and life. Only
then will hand work survive, and we must not fool ourselves, only then has it
the right to survive in our time. For hand-work today must not compete
with the machine, but must make what mass production cannot make - things
that are an individual expression of man's vision of form or beauty of life
unrestrained through economic reasons.
As a potter I visualise coming closer to that ideal in the following way.
It is mainly a matter of the education of those young people who want
to become craftsmen. "To none is talent given freehold, to all on lease",
says Montaigne somewhere. So put them all through a thorough training at
the wheel and on hand-work. Those who are not able or willing to go whole-
heartedly into it will drop out soon. The others who remain should not be
spared any instruction and should be taught all processes, materials,
techniques. But above all one must whet their desire to learn, their
initiative, their urge to understand the things that one sees as well as
those that are closed up in our hearts and minds. The training will be
arduous and somewhat rough and toilsome but not without deep compensation
and of a severe sweetness. Out of blind impulse, vigour and work discipline
will grow. Teach them to use the materials according to their innate
possibilities with understanding, restraint and feeling; open their eyes for
form, line, colour, proportions, tools and functional problems. But above
all teach them to discern honest expression from fake glamour, original
feeling from borrowed emotion, genuine form for accepted tradition. Let
them abhor to imitate whatever is in fashion, and rather be awkward and
humble than technically smart. For it is not just technique that we are
teaching, nor a job and success that we are promising. We are trying to
develop creative and honest craftsmen in our time. First and foremost let
us give to the younger generation all that we still have in living tradition.
Then let us tare from the machine and from the new tools and materials all
the ideas, subjects, methods, training, that these make possible. We
cannot ignore them and remain really alive.
Let us also admire the pottery of former ages and countries, not blindly
but seeingly. And let us learn to discern what qualities make the beautiful
serenity of some great pots and the fierce untamed beauty of those from Peru
or Africa. Let us study the lives of those men and women who lived for an
idea, be he artist, saint or scientist, accepted by society or not.
Let us have time to learn, to watch, to see, to read, to understand, to
develop, to think. Let us look into Nature and the supernatural. Let us look at,
admire and be awed by the unending genius and diversity of all forms of
nature - barks, seed-pods, leaves, flowers, shells and feathers. Let us
develop our eyes, our fingers, our sense of touch, and feel and respond to a
smooth silky bark or the sharp hardness of a leaf of holly. From sponge
to coral, a whole natural scale of textures, surface and form expression,
of ingenious devices to solve functional problems. Let us watch with open
mind and eyes the birds build their nests, the bees their hives and see in
the forms of the ants how natural function has decided form. Let us travel
to other lands and see other people, other art, other customs, other forms
of living and thinking. It will make us more conscious, and also more
critical, of our own, and we will have to decide whither we are going. Let
us learn from the, so-called, Primitives the magic relation of art and
religion; and from our own past of Cathedrals for instance.
Let us take the education of the talented young people who want to
become craftsmen out of the classroom atmosphere of schools into the
invigorating wind of life. It will be easier to develop them into honest
and excellent artisans who know their crafts, like an engineer and a
mechanic, unemotionally, thoroughly and efficiently, and who have above all
a deep, personal and artistic integrity. For the new craftsman of tomorrow
will have to learn to see straight again as a whole, as something that
requires his total personality, his ingenuity, his skill, his reflection and
his faith; like a scientific researcher always working and looking beyond
that which has been. Only then will there be a basic quality of creative
life. No single craftsman, though, be he ever so excellent, can possibly
turn the tide of standard, I realise, but in a group with other groups I
could see their attitude towards work effecting a considerable change in a
few generations.
So let us unite internationally all those men and women of goodwill,
of imagination and talent who are or want to become craftsmen and form
productive workshops in groups of creative teams where each one works to
the best of his ability as a creative artisan. In a group the craftsman
will be more free from individual vanity, for the workshop group will be
more important than the single person, and it will grow to be more than the
sum of all its members. Such a group, with many other groups in all
kindred fields of the crafts, could in time not only influence directly the
industrial production, but what I feel to be much more important, develop
a sounder way of life both for itself and for the public at large.
The new craftsmen must be trained to use with dexterity and understanding
all hand-methods and those of mass-production too. He cannot
evade those and he must be able to use them with discernment, efficiency,
expediency and without emotional conflict, just as we can walk or drive a
car without making an emotional problem out of it. He will be come an ideal
designer for the industry as well as be an excellent individual creative
artisan. He will be able to use the machine then to his advantage but he
will not adore it nor will he blindly copy or adore that which has been made
by hand or handed down by tradition. So he will bring to industry and to
his own personal work standards of workmanship and designs that are genuine
and honest, for they will have found root in a creative activity that has
a cultural basis. If he has to repeat his work he will do it not like
the machine blindly but always better and in an unending variety of changes
and modulations, and 30 will develop himself and that is a point that I
want to stress - with his work and in his work.
To sum up, I would like to say that I do not doubt the necessity of
keeping the live potters and the other craftsmen of course too in the
future picture of our new world. Not only must the crafts as such remain
an occupation of man in the future, they are, as I see it, one of the main
roots out of which a more hopeful civilisation could start growing. When
more men and women will be willing to live with the one basic idea in mind
of the unity of work and life based on an ethical belief, then we will have
a chance to achieve a valid human civilisation. In a time when the
universal declaration of human rights is proclaimed for the first time in
our world as the highest aspiration, not of one nation only but for all the
people of the world, it seems to me that the artist and the artisan are
today perhaps those who stand the nearest to that ideal, for throughout his
whole life the artist will have chosen as the measure of all things, not
money, or success, or power, or machine, but man the very genuine essence
of man.
A long discussion followed.
In answer to a question
on the evolution of new shapes in pottery, Mrs.
Wildenhain said :
"No, you are quite right. The thing is one cannot force oneself or
anybody else to make new shapes. New shapes don't exist if you take them
from another source. I'm sure every shape has been made once before.
There is not a shape in the world - the new forms, the free forms all
included that has not been made before. The thing is that one has to be
able to permeate them again with a sort of live quality. And sometimes
one in a thous and has it and most of the free forms and the modern forms don't
have it. I quite agree with you. You cannot say "I am now going to make
a new shape". That shape is surely going to be bad. But if you say "I'm
going to make a shape as well as I can", then you have a chance that that
shape is going to be good, and modern too if you're twentieth century man.
You don't have to think about it. We all live in a certain way, we move in
a certain way, we think in a certain way, and that clay's going to show
it. You see, as to clay, I find there are all varieties of clay from the
smoothest to the coarsest. It's up to you to choose the one that you find
will express what you have in mind. Suppose you have never seen a pot
before. That's how I set my students to work. I say "Now build up with
your hand the pitcher that you would make if you had never seen a pitcher
before". And most of them would start saying "Oh, my grandmother had one
it goes like this....." or "I saw one once like this...." I once had an
experience with a Negro girl. She said right away "I know exactly how
that pot should look", and she made a pot that was really good because she
had a vision of what she wanted the pot to look like. I feel that is where
handwork has to start. We all ought to be able to close our eyes and see
a pot before we start. Then you choose your material, you choose your
firing process, you choose your way of decorating, the way of making - hand
or machine does not matter as long as you get to where you wanted to be.
Now I happened to use a certain clay, but I always say "For God's sake don't
use my same clay. Now you pick out the one that fits your purpose". I
feel one takes one's materials too much for granted. They are not set.
Someone has once used that clay, and because it was appropriate and because
they had it there they used it. If the Chinese had had another clay they
would have used another clay. And if we don't have the Chinese clay or the
Greek or the French we can do whatever we feel like doing. It's up to us
to choose.
After some argument on the function of her work,
Mrs. Wildenhain said:
"I make coffee sets, I make tea sets, all those things that have very
definite functions; and I do it with my materials. But that is not the end
in itself. The really important end is what happens to the man.
You see society, for me, does not exist at large. We have to fit into
the pattern of society, but society is you and I and all others. And if we
all were different men and women we would not have that society. And if you
don't agree with that society, then it's up to us to change that society.
We cannot say society wants that of us. No, it's our own fault if society
is like that. Thus, let us do something about it. And that's why I would
like to see it come back to something that is very much more basic than using
a material or a matter of technique. It is really a way of living, a way
of thinking, a philosophy. That technique that we are all cursing now -
who made it? We made it. It's up to us if we don't like it or if we don't
like the way it goes to change that. And I feel, yes, there are many
things that are wonderful in the technique but let's get it so that the human
life is not frustrated.
I've been making pottery for 32 years and I think it's only during the
last three or four years that I can sort of see it in a retrospective. I
am sure that for the first twenty-five years I never thought of having an idea.
But now I see it like this. I see that somehow I can translate any idea
that I have into pottery. It might interest you in the show in the Dance
Hall there is a pot of mine with a lid and it has all sorts of figures. I
read T.S. Eliot's book "Murder in the Cathedral" last Winter, and I was
fascinated by it by the visual conception of that whole book. That was a
literary book - I mean that was a book there was nothing visual at all.
But I saw it like the old French cathedrals in the middle of France, and I
said, "I'm going to make the whole pot". Now of course I had at my
disposition the technique and since I knew what I wanted what I knew was
there it wasn't even my idea, it was T.S. Eliot's. You see that idea that
I had, that form, I tried to put it into clay.
I made that pot three times. The first time I used a very dark clay
and I got the figures into it and by the time it came out the figures didn't
stand out enough, I thought, to make the whole thing characteristic. The
shape I liked, but I didn't like parts of the design. So I re-made it. I
changed my clay, I changed my glaze a little - my glaze was a little
thinner and I made another pot and I fired it again. I worked about two
days on one pot and it came out and the figures were fine but I didn't like
the form. So I made a third one and that's the one that's there. I
still don't like the form quite, but it was the best I could make.
Now this vision was not quite clear and I had to go through those three
stages, and perhaps I should have made it a fourth time. But this is what
I mean when I say it has to be a human expression. That picture that I
have in mind I have to try with my experience of clay and my experience of
the techniques to convey in a way that conveys what I felt when I read that
and 30 that the other one can read it".
The discussion contined for some time on the value
of the work of the Hobby-potter ard the use of pottery
in therapy.
On teaching students, Mrs. Wilderhain said:
Let me tell you how fast I teach my students. I first say "This is
the first problem. Get your lump of clay in the centre. Open it. Get
your lump of clay in the centre. Open it". After a day of doing that they
can get the lump in the centre and open it in three second's time. Then we
go to the next step. "Get the lump of clay in the centre, open it and pull
that little wall up about that much". That takes another day. Don't tell
me that's expression. No, I know it isn't. (LAUGHTER). After about six
months, let us say, they have about ten basic shapes that they can do any time
in a couple of minutes. Then I say "All right. Let us take this standard
milk pitcher that has been made all over the world. Now make that one
according to what idea you have of it. You can make it broad or you can
make it high or you can make it narrow; vary the proportion".
But the students will make perhaps twenty five different ones. Out of those twenty
five I choose perhaps this one and that one. "You see this one is high,
this one is broad. Let us accentuate it. Let us make this belly a little
thinner or make the neck a little higher - make a big foot on it that will
get broader yet". They will take those two main prototypes. And then I
say "Now take this one and make a whole shape and vary that again until you
have it so that it is alive". And out of those twenty or thirty pots that
come out one or two are very good and they are their own pots. That's what
I mean by "expression". (LAUGHTER)
At Alfred University in the State of New York just lately I was asked
to pick out of hundreds of pots a few I liked. And I picked out six. And
out of the six I said "I bet five are from the same person" and they said.
"yes". And the funny thing was - they were personal and so you could see
that. Those five or six pots had a face. And I feel that is the point
- that pots have to have a face. (LAUGHTER)
The discussion turned to the self-consciousness
of the potter. Mr Bernard Leach said:
"In making pottery into a medium as a fine art we have changed the nature
of the thing altogether. Personally, I entirely agree when you say the old
traditional potiers who worked more or less unconsciously produced better
pots than we do without trying to make a conscious form of expression of it.
I don't think we've achieved anything near the same standard with our pots.
MRS. WILDENHAIN : But I don't think it is because we're trying to be
conscious about it. It's because our whole life has no relation to that
any more. All the year round we live mechanically, think mechanically.
And we cannot make the things by hand any more. Not in the same way as
a Chinese or a Japanese or even our people two hundred years ago could.
We use a fountain pen, we use a car, we don't cut up .... any more, we
don't sew our own clothes, or make them or weave them, I mean as a whole.
So the craft has come to be sort of a luxury. It's terrible that it is
that way. You are quite right. It was a much, much healthier time,
but we cannot bring it back at least not now, not like that. And I
feel to give it an essence again you have to come back to where it is a
human expression.
MR. LEACH : Might I throw the thought back to Dr. Yanagi's lecture?
Possibly he may join in again here. If we are conscious, we can't pretend
that we are unconscious. We have had many examples of painters painting
in a naive manner.
DR. YANAGI : May I say a word?
(LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE). If my English is
not good, please excuse me. I think that nearly all of us think that Picassob
pottery is not poltery. It is only an extension of the painter, but it seems
to me that the majority of the works of contemporary potters are the extension
of intellectual ideas. There is not quite a good harmony between their ideas
and the things that they make. That is the impression. So I think all that
you said is very deep and sound, but we should not be the slaves of such
intellectual ideas. We must be free from such ideas otherwise we cannot make
good potters.
MRS. WILDENHAIN : I think you're right, but I still think, and I have stressed
in my paper there, that it is only when our minds and our hands can work
together as a unit that the pottery will be good. But if we work only with
our hands it will not be good. And if we work only with our minds it also
isn't good. I realise that and I feel that what we have to try is just
exactly this, to bring those two things together. It's a way of life. The
whole problem is not whether one makes the pottery this way or that way but
whether we are able to make a fusion between two sorts of ways of living,
thinking, making things by hand, or whether we can put that together again.
I have thought a lot in my life too, I think, and I have done a lot of things
with my hands I've even built my own house and planted a vineyard, so it
isn't that. But surely, as Mr. Leach said, we cannot be unconscious if we are
conscious and we cannot be primitive if we are not primitive. We are not
primitive.
MR. CARDEW : May I chip in again? You have just said 'the mind and the
hand'. And I'd like to say rapidly that I agree with nearly everything
you've said, but I think there's something missing. And the thing that is
missing is the feelings. The mind and the hand but emotion, I feel, is
as great a part as the other two. Perhaps again that's my personal feeling,
but I feel that pottery and perhaps textiles too are essentially a very
sensuous art. There is the satisfaction of the senses as well as the mind
to be catered for. It's in the making that that sensuous satisfaction is
felt by the artist and is conveyed also to whoever sees the object. But I
can't help feeling all the time that that side of it is being left out of the
argument and I think it's so important.
MRS. WILDENHAIN : I think we probably would agree on the main things. I
have tried to say also that we have to develop our sense of touch, of hands,
of seeing that's not mind. I don't work with my mind in that way. But
I don't make it too sentimental. I mean I try to see where I'm going, just
like a man who's a research man. He has a problem to solve. How does he
solve that? It doesn't mean that his whole soul isn't in it. But he has
to see it also clearly, detachedly, as a technical, human, sociological or
biological problem.
MR. FOSTER summed up the discussion:
"I think Mrs. Wildenhain has given us something pretty important
something that's come out of her own life and thought. And I think that
eventually we'll probably all, I hope, arrive at a point where we feel
that we have gained sufficient knowledge of our materials, understanding
of our materials, skill with the use of our tools, a certain amount of skill
and technique, to the point where we can be entirely unconscious of those
things. They should become second nature to us. So if we have anything
to say we can speak freely and clearly and with understanding. I think
that's been our whole theme. We have to learn the alphabet before we can
put words together. We have to have the thought before we can express with
those words our feelings. I don't think there's any conflict or any
disagreement among any of us".
Reproduced from the conference report with the permission of the Dartington Hall Trust Archive.